Mental Health Pro: Trump’s Narcissistic & Sociopathic Traits

Mental Health Pro: Trump’s Narcissistic & Sociopathic Traits

It’s great to welcome to the program today,
Bill Eddy, who is the cofounder and training director of the High Conflict Institute. Also author of the book, why we elect narcissists
and sociopaths and how we can stop. So first of all, thanks for joining me bill. My pleasure,
David. I’m glad to be on. So I think that the question of why we elect them is a good
one. But I think a precursor to that is why are so many more of our choices then would
be likely given their prevalence in the general population, uh, one that maybe should be addressed
first. I mean, is there something to the idea that those who end up in positions of power
in politics and arguably in corporations are more likely to be narcissistic and sociopathic?
Well, I think slightly greater chance in general, um, because
these are personalities that are attracted to being in positions of power, uh, positions
where they’re above other people, seen as superior to people, et Cetera. But the more
recent years last, you know, 10, 15 years, we’re getting a lot more of these folks and
more extreme ones because they’ve realized that especially in politics, you don’t have
to have any experience as long as you’re good at attracting attention, uh, dramatic, uh,
telling people things are terrible. You’ve got to have me as a hero, uh, that seeming
to be increasing, right? Say in the last 10, 10 to 15 years. Yeah. I mean, it seems that to some degree,
I mean even if I think about myself, right, to even think that someone might want to watch
a show that I host, there has to be some degree of what we could call anything from confidence
to arrogance all the way up to and including narcissism. And this would apply to many fields.
If you think you are the right person to lead a country of 340 million people, there are
certain personality traits that I imagined would be, would have to be there. But it seems
like the issue is when it crosses a certain line and starts to become problematic in the
ways that you describe. Yes. And crossing that line is the problem
because you’re right, confidence is good. Um, a teeny bit of arrogance perhaps, but
not much because then it becomes dysfunctional. And what we’re looking at with narcissists
and sociopaths really is dysfunctional behavior. And when they cross the line, they basically
don’t learn, don’t change. Uh, don’t have empathy, don’t have remorse, don’t care about
other people are so absorbed in themselves, their own power, their own image, that they
actually can become quite dangerous. Can you talk specifically about the ways that
you see those characteristics as potentially becoming dangerous when they are held by or
part of the makeup of world leaders? Like presidents of countries? In what practical
ways? I mean, is it starting wars that shouldn’t be started? Is it, uh, you know, we can think
of, of policy, but in the bigger sense, what is the danger? Well, the danger is that they have the ones
that are problematic or what I call HCPs, high conflict personalities with four character
traits. The first one being a preoccupation with blaming others. And because of that,
they target other people and they don’t look at themselves. And if they’re a narcissist,
sociopaths and high conflict people, then they’re going to target people. And in many
ways, those people, and especially for sociopath’s, possibly destroy a kill individuals or large
groups of people. So it’s that, um, emphasis on targeting people that makes them so dangerous.
And it’s a psychological phenomenon because they’re really diverting from themselves.
They can’t see anything they’ve ever done wrong. And with other people they always see
their superior or wanting to dominate. So the danger comes in if they have a high conflict
personality as well as narcissistic and sociopathic traits. So bill, I mean you, you are part of the high
conflict institute. You are a licensed clinical social worker that worked providing therapy
to people of all ages. You have worked in a number of different settings where you work
with an observed people that have these traits to different degrees. When you look at the
current president, Donald Trump, what if anything matches what you would consider narcissism?
What if anything sociopathy well, first of all, I do believe he has the
high conflict personality fixation on laming other people, narcissistic traits. And by
the way, because I’m a clinical social worker licensed to diagnose mental disorders, I’m
not supposed to diagnose people I haven’t met. So I’m not gonna say whether or not I
think he has a personality disorder. Sure. What I can say that he has some traits and
the narcissistic traits. I think most people in the world today realize, uh, he’s preoccupied
with himself. He, the man’s admiration. He has grandiose ideas with no basis for them.
Uh, he does seem to lack empathy. He gets some trouble all the time for hurting people
in those policies. I mean his comments and he doesn’t care. Um, and his goal is to be
seen as the most superior person in the world. So we was always stepping on people to get
higher and higher and he pushes people around for that. Sociopathic traits are being highly aggressive
and that’s what we see. That’s part of why these folks succeed. So he has highly aggressive
behavior. He’s willing to take risks that everyone’s shocked at and then he gets away
with it. And even he is surprised. Um, but also deceitful, lying and conning. These are
traits of sociopaths and he seems to, you know, someone recently reported something
like 10,000 lives since he took office, a conning even before he became president. He,
he did an interview I think on the radio where he pretended he was somebody else recommending
Donald Trump of, so those characteristics but also a lack of remorse and drive to dominate
other people. And, and that’s what we see with these leaders around the world. They
want to move people around. They want to, you know, divide people, put up walls and
fences and cagers and, and, and they like the power to really make people do things
that they don’t want to do. When it comes to those who vote for these
folks, what is it about these, uh, personality sort of packages that are appealing to at
least enough voters that folks like Trump win elections in many different countries? Yeah. And what we see all over the world really
is the same pattern. Part of it is their ability to communicate 10 times more than everybody
else. And at an emotional level, which really gets under the surface under your conscious
thinking. You say they communicate 10 times more. You
are you saying that they communicate 10 times more information? Okay. 10 Times more often. So I say 10 times as
many words as the next close, closest a candidate or politician does, they are always talking
in Europe. I forget which one it was, gives three speeches a day. Um, and we see in the
u s especially the use of Twitter around such as there’s constant messaging coming from,
uh, this type of leader. And most politicians historically are busy, you know, behind the
scenes, you know, making things happen, working on legislation, this and that. But the leaders
you see today are communicating to the public intimately in their homes, in their hands.
Uh, and for the last hundred years, electronic media has made that possible. Radio First,
then television, uh, Facebook, Twitter, all of this. Um, in the Philippines they say that
Facebook really made the election. They’re a, they call it ground zero for, um, uh, fake
news and really manipulating people. But it’s a constant barrage of messaging.
You won’t see other politicians doing that. So you’ve got the HCPs up here and everybody
else talks to the public. Maybe once a week they make up policy announcement or something.
But this person’s constantly talking in emotional terms. And they’re communicating what I call
the fantasy crisis triad, which is there’s a terrible crisis and there’s an evil villain
calling the causing the crisis. There’s a group or a person and I’m the hero and so
I’m going to save you from this terrible crisis and from this evil person or person. Yeah. I mean we saw that almost literally
during Trump’s campaign when he would identify problems and actually say, only I can fix
this. Yes, exactly. And that’s the classic line
of, of HCP because they have to come in as a hero because if they run for office based
on their experience, their skills, their knowledge, they don’t have experience skills and knowledge
in government and politics. So they always come in as an outsider claiming to be a hero
and to have that, they have to have a crisis that’s usually a fantasy or they create a
crisis which could actually be real and then get into power with that. So people have to
learn that pattern. That’s a lot of what I’m trying to teach with my book. So I want to be careful here in, in what I
say because this can get sort of dicey, but there seem to be similarities in that particular,
I mean, listen, all politicians want us to believe that they know what the problems are
and that they have the solutions to the problem to some degree. But you’re talking about something
that goes a little bit beyond that. And I have seen that in studying Mao, in studying
Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela, Hooten uh, Stalin, I, you have to be careful when you
say it. Hitler to some degree, there was this idea of exaggerating the degree to which the
problem is narrowly sourced and then making the case that you are the uniquely qualified
person to fix that problem. Which in and of itself is more or less a fantasy. Exactly. And that pattern, people say, well,
you can’t compare people to made to Hitler, but there’s a pattern of behavior that they
all share in many ways. I see a Hitler, Stalin and Mao Zedong as the originals, they kind
of establish the pattern and that people today are still using that. No, they’re not. The
same people, many ways, they’re very different. But one thing that’s similar is there are
extreme, they could be on the left or on the right. And that’s what we’re seeing is it’s
not about politics, it’s about the personality and how they think they can get a route to
power. Well that’s true. I think it does become political bill, which
is while politicians on the left and right can have these personality types traits and
behave in this way, a lot of studies that we’ve seen with us voters show us that the
more authoritarian approach to campaigning does appeal more to those who are on the American.
Right. So while both left and right can try this, it seems that rightway American voters
are more likely to be drawn in by the hyper authoritarianism. It’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s to some extent true.
But what’s interesting to me is to see that there have been people on the left that have
followed left authoritarian leaders. And I think of, you know, one example I mentioned
in the book briefly was the example of Jim Jones and he really wanted to have, uh, uh,
you know, the, the, the fantasy state, the socialists, the pure socialist a kingdom that
he with him as the king and we saw her that lead because people like this, uh, become
more and more paranoid and dangerous. What are the best ways to expose individuals
with these traits and sort of refocus in reality what the actual issues are and what the real
types of solutions we should be considering are? Well, I think first of all, I really want
to see people become aware of the HCP pattern. So you see somebody who’s preoccupied with,
what do you mean? Others has a lot of all or nothing thinking and solutions, a unmanaged
emotions, extreme behaviors. People go, oh, that’s an HCP. And right now I can tell you,
everybody listening to your show knows somebody like that and their personal life in the workplace,
the neighborhood and, and their families too. But that pattern isn’t that hard to recognize
when you see it in leaders. That’s when you see that it’s going to become dangerous. But
I think also that voters, volunteers, candidates need to really focus on providing as much
information as the HCPs provide emotion. And so when you get someone speaking 10 times
as much as everybody else, you need to respond with that same amount of information. I call
it the assertive approach. And it’s worked in the legal setting really from last 25 years
for me and people that use this approach. So when they come out with emotions, you come
out with information and match that energy but not the destructive approach that the
HCP is used emotionally. And I think what a lot in our audience will
realize, and it may even become apparent in these upcoming very, very large 20 person
Democratic primary debates, is that, uh, that is not a technique that many candidates are
well suited for at a sort of personal personality level. So I think it will be very, very interesting
to a, to watch the book is called, why we elect narcissists and sociopaths and how we
can stop. We’ve been speaking with the book’s author, Bill Eddy, who’s also the cofounder and training director of the High Conflict
Institute. Built such a pleasure speaking to you today. Thank you so much David.

100 thoughts on “Mental Health Pro: Trump’s Narcissistic & Sociopathic Traits

  1. All you need to get on in business / politics is a lack of empathy, easy peasy ,step on heads to get up and pull any ladders up after yourself

  2. This video should be played every day to the public… and now we need to figure out why the followers, follow him. Don't they see this behavior?

  3. We know all this about trump and lots of other people in power. At some point you have to look at the people and I'm not just talking about the supporters. If we're abiding trump or any abuser/sociopath we're the bigger problem–we are willing victims. Instead of hoping and voting as the main means too tackle problems I would say it's time to enact other tactics such as General Strike! If we shut down commerce for even one day in the US we can illustrate that we the people have a lot of power and we can get things done. Shut commerce down for a week and we can reform our democracy in a way that actually supports our own interests as a people and not the criminal ruling wealthy elite! Stop being a victim!


  5. 1:55 His point about the seeming narcissism of expecting people will want to hear what you have to say really hits home with me. I don’t post on social media because I’m chronically ill, and victories feel like bragging and the bad stuff (which would be most of what was posted, since I’m not doing well) would be a pity party. Everyone who is important to me will find out without having to go on Facebook anyway, so why post? I’d not pick and choose and curate it so I seem well, but then compared to all the curated profiles, I look even more whiny.

    I’m a writer, and growing up I felt my ability wasn’t anything to write home about. It took a lot of time to see I did have an unusual amount of talent. I’m still working through how narcissistic it feels to say, “My writing is great! Pay money and spend the time to read these several hundred pages of a story I came up with! Don’t read something else or do anything else with that time, this is worth it!” It feels kind of gross in a way. But… my characters deserve to live outside of my head. And no one else will advocate as strongly for them as I can.

    Still. It just takes getting used to. It feels weird and kind of wrong. At least in politics, I’d be trying to make a change in the world and help people, cause actionable change. Reading can be such a blessing for people, an outlet or an escape, a way to savor victories and mourn defeats, so it’s not like it’s useless. But still, my readers could be reading the classics instead of my work. That’s… humbling and intimidating in equal measure. I guess all I can do is my best to be worthy of that belief in my work to repay them.

    It’s still going to take a while through. 😂

  6. Oh what a surprise, we don't need another discussion on the obvious that Trumps is an idiot and runs a crime family. However, there is a story of worldwide interest that is not even being reported on any mainstream outlet. Documents have been released from Edgar Dean "Ed" Mitchell (the Astronaut) files that show the United States has UFO tech and there are real covert run a way programs where our government has lost control. Not a word about it on Mainstream Media. CIA controlled? Humm, No wonder people are moving away from the Mainstream. This NEW Edgar Mitchell story is "Hugh", Earth shaking and the mainstreams not covering the story why?

  7. Maybe they can give Crazy Trump Shock Treatment live on Mr Inbreed Hannity show 440 right to the head only hoping that will help him

  8. America is on the verge of flipping from a democratic republic to a strongman or autocratic form of government, something that’s happened to dozens of democracies in the past few decades, but never before here. It’s possible we won’t recover from it.
    Trump is openly defying the norms and laws of our republic, while calling for the imprisonment of both his political enemies and members of the very law enforcement agencies that might hold him to account.

    These are the symptoms of a republic in crisis propagated by Trump:
    *Calling the press “the enemy of the people.”
    *Refusing to interact with Congress as the Constitution dictates.
    *Packing the courts with demonstrably unqualified ideologues.
    *Lying to the people on a daily basis.
    *Embracing autocrats while trashing traditional allies.
    *Breaking the law and saying that the president can’t be prosecuted, while he runs out the clock on the statute of limitations.
    *Bragging that he’s making money on the presidency and daring anybody to stop him.
    *Putting lobbyists in charge of public lands, our banking system, and our environment.
    *Embracing violent and hateful people and movements, both at home and abroad.

    There’s a lot of hand-wringing going on in the press and in D.C. about Trump’s political and legal excesses. What everybody seems to be missing is the permanent damage he’s doing to our republic by finding the loose floorboards under our republic, the loopholes and norms of political behavior that have been enforced for centuries out of good will and respect, rather than fear of the law.

    Like a petulant child or a juvenile delinquent, he delights in breaking them right in front of us. From Thom Hartmann "This is how Republics die".

  9. Saddest part of this conversation,….. the shoe fits almost all the suits in corporate and government and military positions of power all over this country.

  10. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha…internet beggar, pacman, allegedly finds mental health pro to criticize trump. What are the chances….hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  11. Narcissistic & Sociopathic ? Forgot Megalomaniac too, for bogus, fraudulent, shyster.

  12. People vote for president how's look like them
    The sad truth is the people by genetic are bad killers liars narcissist and racists

  13. Thanks to the so called professional for providing proof that the mental health system is in fact weaponized .

    Also.. Did Pakman say babies are tumors?

  14. Pacman if you were in his shoes running the country you'd spend all your time with bullshit semantics chasing your own tail. You know nothing

  15. Every image of him, he`s gurning like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush;
    What exactly is wrong with him? Stupid mad cunt loves himself.

  16. That's funny mental health Pro? diagnosis from afar..😊🤣😂😅 another crackpot! Carry on snowflakes

  17. It makes you wonder how people who still support trump are able to function in the world.They obviously are self delusional,lack empathy,have no critical thinking skills and extremely poor judgement.

  18. Sounds like a cult, dysfunctional people attracting other dysfunctional people or weak minded that in the end could be a danger to mankind. We need strong people to rid this before it's too late.

  19. This man is a tree without roots, he is surviving on top soil, look at the people he attract. His dialogue is like Jell-O, if heat gets to it, it melts. No foundation.

  20. The fact that there's a very sick man in the Oval Office is well established by now. When interviewing mental health professionals, please try to focus on how to shake cult members out of their brainwashed haze. That's what's really needed right now.

  21. I would be interested in the personality characteristics that are possessed by someone who would support this type of narcissist. What makes someone a Trumpie? (Other than low education)

  22. At this time in history and in this country these types are more likely to be right wing. Decades ago in other countries there were left leaning narcissistic types as well.

  23. “What jealous losers! Hilary wouldn’t have made as much as I have as President, because I’m nice to other countries. I don’t even care if they pay me by check! Everyone says I’m the best as selling America, what America has. Everyone that matters has benefited” ~ trump, if he watched this video

  24. I believe ALL leaders have sociopathic tendencies to some extent, and perhaps some narcissistic tendencies as well – people who don't have them do not want to be leaders and don't seek position of power: if they end up at the top they usually reluctantly accept that position under pressure from others and be willing to let go as soon as they can.

  25. Trump probably spends several hours a day sitting in his office trying to figure out why is so wonderful

  26. They are always talking (Bill Eddy says 10 times more than most people) because they are always lying. Liars talk incessantly because it is a compulsion to cover the nervous awareness they have that they're lying to you. Watch Trump – the verbal jumps from one thought to another completely unrelated thought are his way of keeping the show going, to keep your attention even though he KNOWS he's bamboozling you. So obvious.

  27. Is this all politics disguised as medicine? This, of course, is all about Trump and his supporters. They're all ill. Perhaps they need treatment. Actually, the "grave concern" of so many mental health professionals is very funny. It reeks of elitism, and it betrays the "better than thou" rage of Margaret Dumont when confronted by Groucho Marx: "Well!…I never!…This is outrageous." Apparently, Margaret didn't know the correct jargon.

  28. Disturbing that the mob boss cannot apologize to those youth who were wrongly convicted for a crime they had definitely not committed, even after ironclad DNA evidence exonerated them. Claiming that the fact that some idiots still believe that this condemnation has credibility is giving it credibility is simply BS. Ironically the orange buffoon was not exonerated.
    "If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so." Mueller did not have that confidence, because the mob boss did commit crimes. 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

  29. Trump is the first of this kind in power as a president and i sincerely hope he will be the last one or at least until the day i die i don't see another moron such as the lunatic Trump as a president.

  30. His rallies look and sound like cult events. When interviewed, the followers at his rallies look kind of blank and fervent. They will not listen to a contrary view without spouting some kind of Trump orthodoxy. This is to be expected on the fringes – ie actual cults such as Jim Jones' but not at the centre power. That is what is disturbing about Trump. His sort of pathological narcissism is kind of expected at the fringes in developed liberal democracies, in multilevel marketing and religious scams, but they are not expected at the centre of power.

  31. Wow!!! I’ve really learnt something in this interview, thank you David, a lot but not all world leaders, CEO’s, politicians and Religious leaders depict this trait, it’s like they have to fight to stay on top of the pile by behaving like this.

  32. "so, i am not supposed to diagnose people i have not met, so i will not do that. but this is a list of characteristic traits and Trump fulfills all of them."

  33. Trump has a Superpac and Dark money donors of Three hundred million dollars as of June 19th, 2019
    What is going on with our electoral system? It’s being bought my large donor contributions. 😮

  34. I struggle to comprehend how anyone can't see through Trump for the narcissist, sociopath and criminal he is. He's not a Republican. He's not a conservative. He stands for nothing, apart from self-aggrandizement. This should be obvious by now.

  35. I think sometimes I would like to know what it's like to live a guilt free life. But I'd probably just feel guilty about not feeling guilty.

  36. The real problem is not that Trump is a pitiful example of a human being. It's that millions of people can't or don't want to admit that he is the worst kind of person to even tolerate.Nevermind have him as president.

  37. Bill described DRUMPF to a tee ! He clearly can see how mentally unstable DRUMPF is. Unfortunately,…drumpf supporters are a close second concerning the mentally unstable scenario !

  38. Holy Shit see that all time record Economy, and all time recoed low unemployment….IF thats crazy, Give me more crazy….and less Obama/Biden lazy.

  39. So the majority of country, mostly liberals, are narcissistic and sociopaths, right, dickhead? After all, Hillary won the popular vote. Fail, mother fucker. Ha ha

  40. And amazingly – as another example of his hero complex – he has just declared that if re-elected he will cure cancer! I can't help noticing the similarity with Il Duce, Mussolini, in the way Trump juts out his chin and at rallies and looks around surveying his adoring minions.  This man is truly a danger to the USA and the World, and I say this as a European.  Republicans please open your minds and set aside political prejudice in favour of rational and moral contemplation before it is too late.

  41. This person is dancing around the bush. How far are we going to let things go before reckognizing we are dealing with a blatant systemic crisis that produces these sociopathic leaders. No use pretending there's no politics or economics involved in this phenomenon.

  42. A mental asylum not the white house ……………how &why the GOP nominated him as president is a puzzle…..

  43. As an Australian who didn't quite finish his degree in political science, I'm very intetested in the way that your political system works. The Electoral College is in my opinion, archaic. Here in Australia, it's MANDATORY that you vote. We have a two party system. We also have a PREFERENTIAL system of which I am not a fan. If I choose to not vote for one of the two major parties, Labor or Liberal, then I don't want my vote for a minor party going to either of them.. One vote, one value.

  44. authoritarrians appear on both sides. On the right is mainly around who people are such as nationalism or individual identity. On the left is based around group identity for example Hitler went after the Jews because of their racial identity. While Mao Zedong went after imperialists and bourgeois elitist because the group they belong to.

  45. Unfortunately the people that elect these narcissistic buffoons don't read and/or think at a level to understand this dynamic.

  46. This is pretty insightful and interesting. But I don't think you need a highly experienced and qualified mental health worker to let us all know how psychologically compromised Trump is.

  47. I suspect that something insidious has been nurtured within the consciousness of many Americans within the last 25 Years or so. Maybe I am wrong about his but in around 1994 I cannot imagine that so many relatively normal Americans would have so insanely embraced Trump. These people for whatever reason have become even more susceptible to Trump like rhetoric & personality manipulation, well enhanced by his show business approach to inciting his followers. Their brains are sadly refusing or unable to view the man behind the show & THEY need to engage whatever GREY MATTER is for them is still possible.

  48. Baby dump is crazy as hell, he still play with air plane when he need to be working on health care for the American peoples.

  49. Trump is extreme, but almost any politician is a narcisist. Maybe the only one that is quite the opposite is Angela Merkel (but still, she has some weird behaviour imho)

  50. Hume told us that emotion wins over reason every time… we make decisions base on emotion then rationalize them. People mistake HCP for strength they push the emotion buttons and people go with them and rationalize their decision. People are hopeless.

  51. David, I usually have so much respect for your critical thinking but this is the second time I've been very disappointed in the credibility you give to someone with very sketchy credentials weighing in as an expert on psychological conditions. There is a reason that it is difficult to get respected psychologists to opine about sociopathy. It's because it isn't a formal diagnoses and there isn't a widely accepted scientifically valid instrument for assessment.

  52. Demagogues have always been democracy's most glaring vulnerability, since it's first inception in Athens.

  53. Must be voted out of office, if trump won't leave the white house, throw a metal netting around him and drag his ass out…

  54. I love that he was honest about this being a left and right issue. It's not about politics. It's about personality, and most politicians are likely somewhere on that spectrum. Trump's overt style of narcissism is transparent and easy to see. He writes it on Twitter, he says the words explicitly, he's outrageous and self-incriminating. The right tends to be more characteristic of the overt abusive characters who actually look like wolves. Despite their obviousness, they often get away with it because people are afraid of them or they see them as strength and that makes them feel safe. The left tends to be more characteristic of the covert style of abuse. It's very hidden. It's disguised as charity, altruism and false humility but it's working quietly behind the scenes, doing exactly the opposite of the image it portrays in public. Its outward form is elegant and sophisticated. Covert abusive tactics are very stealth and always come with a wrapper of plausible deniability so it's very difficult to identify it as abuse and for that reason, they can get away with that much more. Most people see them as upright pillars of society and the family. They are the wolves in sheep's clothing and in my opinion, that is far more dangerous because of the public perception that they manage.

  55. Impeachment isn’t a realistic solution. The Republicans would never convict him. Trump increasingly demonstrates symptoms of mental illness, declining cognitive abilities and lack of self awareness. The 25th Amendment would effectively make the country safer and more stable. Though Mike Pence is not a great replacement, he does not show these severe, negative, irrational, dangerous symptoms. He is a highly motivated career politician. By assembling enough cabinet members necessary to invoke the 25th Amendment, he would elevate himself and would become the de facto president and remove a great threat to the nation. It could be a first step to saving the United States and it’s standing at home and abroad.

  56. If Dumb Donny's only problem was being a narcissist, we would still be f'd. But he is chock full of mental and personality disorders. Now add to this bubbling brew of mental defects the fact that he has all the signs of early dementia. So he is literally now a demented lunatic. Don't Boo. . . VOTE.

  57. Sociopaths the steroidal version of Narcissus! And there’s MILLION’s OF THEM on the “spectrum”!🙄🙄🙄 The more the merrier! 😹🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻

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